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Tyler Jorgenson (00:01.218)
Welcome out to Biz Ninja Entrepreneur Radio. I’m your host Tyler Jorgensen. And today we get a twofer and we get to have the honor and the pleasure of having both Jen and Chris Hudak, the co-founders of Escapod Trailers. I’m going to let you, before we get into this, decide which of these two people holds two gold medals from the X Games. And we’re going to break down their story about why they came up with this business, how it’s going.
and all the ups and downs along the way. But welcome out to the show, Jen and Chris.
Jen & Chris Hudak (00:35.682)
Thanks, so happy to be here. Yeah, thanks for having us. This is great.
Tyler Jorgenson (00:38.936)
Yeah, excited. All right, spill the beans. Who’s the ex game champ?
Jen & Chris Hudak (00:43.63)
That would be me. Sorry Chris, he’s still not as good on skis as I am, but you know, he has other redeeming qualities.
Tyler Jorgenson (00:52.91)
Yeah, well that’s all right. Not many people are and that you can be great and not earn gold medals. So that’s okay. Yeah, yeah. Well, by my standard of great, which is not the same as your standard of great. Yeah.
Jen & Chris Hudak (00:58.734)
Thank you. I’m not sure that’s true.
Jen & Chris Hudak (01:05.678)
Thank
You will learn that Jen is the most competitive person that you’ve ever had on the podcast.
Tyler Jorgenson (01:13.764)
Yeah, I always say there are people who absolutely want to win. I just don’t like losing. And it’s a very different type of competing. Right. Like if you’re going for blood versus just going to, you know, I don’t want to not make the podium. So, but so, you know, you’re you guys are coming up on almost 10 years, right. Of having Escapade. And so let’s do way back to the beginning. When was the moment you guys first realized that you were entrepreneurs and you wanted to do something on your own?
Jen & Chris Hudak (01:23.374)
That’s true.
Jen & Chris Hudak (01:28.399)
Yeah.
Jen & Chris Hudak (01:44.014)
Entrepreneurship, yeah, I think this was before the idea of Escapod. For me, I was always driven to seek that life. I was always, you know, I was in the restaurant business early on working through college and I was like, well, man, if I opened a restaurant, it would be like this, you know? And if I was in charge, it would be like this. my brain always,
always kind of went there as to like, how would I optimize? How would I find my customer? How would I deliver a product that was truly special and enriched in it? And it was always that. And then in the way my work ethic also was very much in that manner as well. I always found that I really sought more out of the work than most people around me. That’s not hard to do in the restaurant industry now, but I always found that like I was driven to make it better.
Tyler Jorgenson (02:21.242)
Right.
Tyler Jorgenson (02:36.72)
Sure.
Jen & Chris Hudak (02:42.092)
you know, every day I came. And those are some of the reasons, but I think for me, it’s like, you also have a acceptable level of risk that you carry too. Where are willing to say, okay, you know, like, I’m not gonna take a paycheck for a little bit or I’m gonna risk, you know, risk it all on this idea or this passion. And you gotta have a little bit of that too.
Tyler Jorgenson (02:53.008)
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (03:04.336)
Yeah.
Speaking of a risk tolerance, you started this in your mother-in-law’s garage. So Jen, what was that like, you know, coming up with an idea and starting to make it real?
Jen & Chris Hudak (03:20.166)
well.
extremely fulfilling and really fun in the earlier days. Then things get hard later, but you know, the in mom’s garage part, this was like, Chris came to me. We had been traveling around for the last year and a half in a teardrop trailer that Chris built in our single car garage in Salt Lake using hand tools and supplies he got from Home Depot. And he came to me with this idea. He’s like, I want to turn this into an actual company. So we started brainstorming.
on different names and I was on the tail end of my ski career at that point and I knew what it felt like to really manage your destiny, to be the person who was solely in charge of the outcome and I saw that little sparkle in his eye and this just desire to have something that was his own. He mentioned the restaurant thing, he had wanted to start a couple restaurants, had different ideas for it, so I saw this really seamless
transition from that to, okay, we’re gonna do this in the outdoor space with these trailers. So really it was just a matter of being willing to tolerate longer hours and have this be the activity that we were doing after our day jobs for a while. But it really was just fun and it was really satisfying to do it together and in a way that just unfolded pretty naturally.
Tyler Jorgenson (04:44.794)
love that. Chris, you built the first one as a prototype, for yourself, before this was even a prototype. Why are you out there building something new instead of, what was missing in the marketplace? What did you see? What was the gap?
Jen & Chris Hudak (05:01.292)
You know, we’re lucky enough to be in Utah. And if you’ve ever visited Utah, you know it’s like, it’s the land of natural beauty. I five national parks, tons of public land. I knew what we wanted out of camping was to get away from the crowds, to get out there. We wanted something that we didn’t have to store somewhere else.
something that could be ready to go at our house on a moment’s notice. And so with all of these requirements that we had, we went on the market and I started looking for things. And at the time there was maybe one or two teardrop manufacturers, but it wasn’t what it is today. And the trailer sure didn’t look like what they look like today. And we had an idea of exactly…
what we needed. And the only person that could fill that was us. And at the time, don’t think Jen knew that I could, you know, build a paper. was a guy that worked in restaurants, not someone who like knew how to build things. that was a learning experience.
Tyler Jorgenson (06:00.366)
Right. Yeah. That’s fair. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you don’t know what you can do until you do it, right?
Jen & Chris Hudak (06:08.078)
Yeah. I mean, I, well, I grew up, I grew up restoring cars. Um, so I restored a 1968 Austin Haley Sprite when I was, you know, 17, I had, uh, multiple motorcycles I built for the ground up. Jen had never seen this side of me at this point. Uh, so I, know, you got to save a little bit, uh, within the new relationship and in funny to, to look back now on what we’re able to build, you know, I’m no longer the best builder in our organization. We’ve got.
Tyler Jorgenson (06:20.614)
Tyler Jorgenson (06:26.254)
Sure.
Jen & Chris Hudak (06:37.902)
20 fabulous people out there that build a much better product than I could ever even have dreamed of those days. But we got it done and that trailer is still around.
Tyler Jorgenson (06:48.09)
That’s really cool. So there just wasn’t something that you could pick up and go with and really be rugged enough to do what you, where you wanted to go. yes, it seems like a lot of the, the market for many years was just the, like the car camper that was just going to go stay on the road, right. And do something simple. Jen, yeah. Yeah. Right. And so Jen, you know, when he came to this idea, you guys start doing it. What, how did you find your footing?
Jen & Chris Hudak (06:56.654)
That’s right.
Jen & Chris Hudak (07:06.478)
That’s right. More of a vintage trailer.
Tyler Jorgenson (07:17.35)
in what each of your roles was going.
Jen & Chris Hudak (07:20.806)
I mean, to be honest, that was pretty natural. think it’s one of the things that has made our partnership great. And also one of the things that has made it really challenging is that we come to the table with very different skill sets. I’m much more.
customer oriented and sales oriented, marketing oriented. And Chris was really that tactical hands on operational and production guy. So early on it was like, okay, well I’m working in a marketing company and I can handle building a website, know, does it not compare to what we have today? It was very much.
Tyler Jorgenson (07:53.968)
Sure.
Jen & Chris Hudak (07:55.064)
hacked together, but I could do it and I could run our social media. I could interact with the customers and sell to the customers and Chris could handle building the trailers. He could handle the vendor relationships, ordering materials and getting everything we needed. So that was pretty easy early on. And then, know, pretty much.
remained the same, but got a little bit more complex later. And then figuring out how to offload what maybe wasn’t our core area of expertise to other business partners and then employees that we have in the company.
Tyler Jorgenson (08:30.99)
What would you say is the first moment that you guys realized you had something that wasn’t just a hobby or a fun idea, but it was actually going to take off as a business?
Jen & Chris Hudak (08:40.838)
I’m going to take that one too. Yeah. Okay. Well, so I feel like that moment in some ways happened before we started the company, right? Inadvertently, Chris had built us a prototype in 2014 and we were using it. We were using it around customers or potential customers that were really the demographic that we would want to sell to in the long run. when I retired from skiing, I decided mountain biking would be my next.
competitive pursuit. So we were both racing mountain bikes and then traveling around in our teardrop trailer. So we were constantly having people ask about this product and expressing a lot of interest in it and desire to use a product like this for their mountain biking and camping experiences, because it lets you set up this base camp and then have a vehicle to go to different trailheads and not need to pack up camp every time.
So in some ways we sort of knew that there was interest in this. I don’t know that we knew how big it could grow at the time, but it felt like, well, we’ll at least break even here. You know, we’ll build a few and we’ll sell a few and then we’ll kind of see how it goes. But a year and a half in was probably that critical moment of saying, okay, this isn’t just something that’s like a hobby anymore, but has the legs to
be a business that sustains our livelihood as well, but we have to take this leap of faith, somebody has to go all in. So that’s the point at which Chris left his restaurant life and restaurant job. And then we brought in some business partners that were able to go and also work side by side, Chris, to really start growing the company. So there were those two kind of critical moments, but I think it…
In hindsight, I would absolutely do that again. Build the prototype, get it in front of people, not trying to sell it, but just getting that feedback where there’s no ego involved, no attachment, nothing really to lose. And then you can make it better once you’re actually ready to hit the ground running.
Tyler Jorgenson (10:45.632)
Absolutely. In almost 10 years now, or guess past 10 years from when you built the first prototype, I’m sure there’s been lots of ups and downs. What was one of the biggest challenges that you guys faced and how’d you overcome it?
Jen & Chris Hudak (11:00.428)
I think it’s still a challenge today. think founders often fit this role of like whack-a-mole where new challenges present daily and you figure out how to adjust to them. think as founders, it’s one of the things that really makes us really strong is we’re able to quickly identify issues and go attack them. I think…
you know, today it’s sales or tomorrow it’s production or the next day it’s quality or the next day it’s, it’s customer interactions and you’re, and you don’t have a, an organization with enough maturity to have process built around every aspect. And one of the things that I think plagues organizations or early organizations is you get something taken care of. You’re like, okay, I’m going move on to the next. And as soon as you move on to the next, you’re back to taking care of the old thing that you took care of already.
And you’re like.
until you have that maturity of like, this is how we do it, you’re still always moving around the organization to go solve issues or to help in certain areas. And I think that that’s definitely the disease of the founder. And that’s why it’s hard for founders to often transition into more mature roles like CEOs and more mature companies. And so I think that that is, it will continue to be one of the harder things in my role.
and transitioning my education and my learnings to as we not only are in 10 years, what does 20 years and 30 years look like? And am I still the person to lead the organization then?
Tyler Jorgenson (12:41.966)
Yeah, absolutely. Because you guys, mean, again, you start making a few things in a garage. You got a big location now with, like you said, 20 people out there building. It’s a very different thing to manage yourself than to manage others. Yeah.
Jen & Chris Hudak (12:54.424)
a hundred percent. And you got to keep learning. You know, it’s, you have to be the master of, of every part of the organization. You know, it’s all of sudden you’re, you know, you’re learning accounting and finances. All of sudden you’re learning how to build trailers. All of a sudden you’re learning how to market and you’re like the master of, you know, maybe,
meta, right? And like getting into like advertising and like, so you’re just having to be knowledgeable to be able to make decision making and then weigh decisions of the organization with each other, right? Like how do you weigh, how do you weigh putting resources, operational resources, cash or people to one thing versus the other if you don’t understand what the outcome is.
Tyler Jorgenson (13:37.338)
Yeah, absolutely. Where’s the craziest place you guys have seen one of your trailers end up?
Jen & Chris Hudak (13:42.254)
Gosh, I don’t know. I mean, the picture, I guess not everyone is probably watching this, but the picture on the wall behind us is a pretty good one. think this was down. this in? Coral, Capitol reef. Okay. Capitol reef. super remote location, like right on the edge of a cliff, in, know, a grand Canyon esque looking environment. So that’s pretty cool. We’ve also seen our trailers cross through some pretty deep.
rivers, is really cool to see. And like getting deep into mountainous forest terrain, which is really cool. What do you think? The new Baja. So it used to be like, you know, 10 years ago, everyone would go down to Baja, do a big Baja trip. That’s still amazing. You should still do that. But the new Baja is the Alaska Highway. And so tons of people making the journey up through the Alaska Highway into Alaska and making it to the Arctic Circle.
We had one customer who worked in the oil industry and he actually stayed for three months in his trailer in the winter in the Arctic Circle. And so I’m talking like negative 20. And you have a picture of his, like the trailer’s covered in rhyme ice. And you have a picture of his wife inside in a t-shirt. And it’s just like, it’s so perfect. It’s so perfect. And I think,
Tyler Jorgenson (14:52.698)
Wow.
Tyler Jorgenson (15:07.396)
Wow. That story got crazier when you said, his wife. I’m like, all right, some, some guy just chilling by himself. No, a couple. Wow.
Jen & Chris Hudak (15:14.55)
and a 10 pound dog. Little dog. It’s amazing. well, I think we, our product creates aspirational adventure. Somebody who says, man, I’ve always wanted to, and then they attach an escapade to that adventure. And, I think that’s one of the cool things, you know, the craziest thing we’ve ever seen, man, I don’t know, like.
Tyler Jorgenson (15:28.646)
That’s cool.
Jen & Chris Hudak (15:41.0)
Is that crazier or is somebody who hasn’t camped in 20 years, who’s 85 years old, who goes to a national park here in Utah and stays in the campground, is that crazier? I think they’re both amazing. And I think they’re both aspirational. And I think that they’re both accomplishing the same thing, which is pretty amazing.
Tyler Jorgenson (16:00.048)
Very cool. So you guys came to me because there was a press thing about athletes and things like that, which I love your background as an athlete and being a competitor, wanting to win. Jen, know we’ll have a half pipe off sometime here and see if Chris can win now. But who is a dream ambassador or celebrity or somebody that you would just love to be a part of the brand?
Jen & Chris Hudak (16:18.946)
Hahaha
Jen & Chris Hudak (16:30.324)
my gosh, I feel like totally caught off guard right now. Chin. How about that? Jimmy Chin. You know Jimmy Chin? Phenomenal mountain athlete, but also an incredible documentarian photographer and videographer. And just…
Tyler Jorgenson (16:34.47)
That’s the goal. Gotta hit with those. Who is it? Okay. Nope.
Jen & Chris Hudak (16:54.286)
His name in the outdoor industry is very much equated with the epitome of like extreme adventure. And I feel like what he could go and not only do with an escapade, but the story that he could tell and the adventures that he could inspire among others would just be really cool. So that’s my final answer. I really had panicked for a minute.
Tyler Jorgenson (17:17.47)
Solid answer you you weren’t off guard that long you came back hot that was solid. Yeah. What you guys mentioned while we were chatting that there’s some new stuff coming down the pipeline what’s what’s coming up new for escape.
Jen & Chris Hudak (17:33.164)
We are really excited about this one. our customers, you get the idea that our customers are aspirational. We’re mountain bikers. The reason that we built Topo 2 specifically, or sorry, the original trailer specifically was to go mountain bike, to go race, to be doing activity. We are not.
by nature lovers of RVs and I think that our customers are the same, right? It’s like they are not by nature lovers of RVs. They don’t go on the weekends to the big RV store and just go walk around to go look at things. And so we are releasing the first ever mountain bike specific trailer, which is the Topo2 MTB built by mountain bikers.
for mountain bikers will be releasing that in person at the Sea Otter Classic in Monterey, California. Huge mountain bike show. And it’s gonna have all the goodies that the Topo 2 has, composite trailer, off-road capable, but gonna have some things that are really specific to mountain bikers. So full-on pro tool set, a swing away hitch, a new bike rack from Kuat called the Ion. It’s made for two e-bikes.
It has two batteries in it for e-bike charging. I mean, this thing is just awesome and perfect for mountain biking.
Tyler Jorgenson (18:51.664)
So, you you guys are building this really cool new thing and that’s, love that you’re kind of in a way also getting back to the roots of where you started. And I think that’s neat where new can be the thing that really ties back to the beginning. But, you know, as entrepreneurs, as creators and founders, we don’t always get things right. When was a time where the audience and your market, like they were the ones that showed you what was something that you needed to do or something that was the next step?
Jen & Chris Hudak (19:22.22)
I mean, you just had this happen with the solar panel. So just trying to make decisions about improvements around the trailer. And we’ve had a similar solar panel on our trailer for a while. And one of the things that we’ve always talked about, well, I guess this is actually proving that we got it right. But we thought we had got it wrong. And it’s true that we got it right.
Tyler Jorgenson (19:42.107)
Ha
Tyler Jorgenson (19:45.862)
K.
Jen & Chris Hudak (19:48.514)
But leveraging those insights from the customers. So we had this panel that would travel on the back of our trailer and could charge the trailer while you were driving. But then it was removable once you got to camp. So you could position it and optimize it toward the sun. And we were thinking that maybe the removability wasn’t something that they were wanting to use and just questioning that assumption. So Chris reached out to customers to figure that out.
Tyler Jorgenson (20:04.997)
Okay.
Jen & Chris Hudak (20:16.173)
He’s thinking, okay, maybe we can give them a solar panel that will improve charging 25%, but isn’t removable and doesn’t need to be carried on the trailer in this way. So that was kind of the gut instinct going in. And then all the customer feedback said, for the most part, we like the removable option. That trade-off wouldn’t be worth it to us. So.
We kind of proved ourselves right and wrong there. What’s one way you’ve like, think the founders, think the founders, my natural is because I’m a founder and I built something from scratch. I like, I think you’re always like, I know what the customer wants. Right. And, getting out of like, finally getting out of that of saying, we have a thousand customers now. Let’s ask them what they want.
is a transition because when you’re first starting and you’re first like creating a product and you’re finding a hole in the market and you’re doing it’s all from your own desire or your opinion of what the market is and to be able to leverage your current customer base with how they’re using it. mean, my customers camp in trailers far more than I do. You know, I run a business, you know, and I’m like, you know, we started because we love camping. It’s probably one of the things that we’ve lost most. And it’s like,
our customers are camping over 100 nights a year and you’re like, how are you using it? And that is so important in identifying the journey of the product.
Tyler Jorgenson (21:46.212)
Yep. Yeah. I, I’ve had that same thing happen where I’ve started a business that was in something that I loved and it actually took, even though I was in the space of what I loved more, I was now doing what I loved less, you know, less often and, and that’s tough. you know, over the time, I’m sure you guys have had to kind of fight that and, and, and battle with that. How do you guys make sure you still find time for each other for yourselves and get out there and take care of that?
Jen & Chris Hudak (22:00.11)
huh. Totally get it.
Jen & Chris Hudak (22:13.302)
It’s very hard. We recently bought something called a skylight calendar.
and I mean, we literally have to schedule and calendar time for us. Cause not only do we run a business, we also have two kids under five, and kids take up a lot of time and we love them dearly and they’re going to be raised to be great human beings someday. but there are a lot of work and if we don’t prioritize it with, you know, our work schedules and demands of work and kids, then it makes it really hard. you know, and we are camp
less now than we were before kids and before this business. That said, I think we would be camping less if we didn’t have an escapade to go and take our kids camping in. I mean, the convenience that it provides families is just, it’s incredible. Everything is ready to go when you need to go.
and you have a comfortable place for your kids to be, but you also get to prioritize your time spent in the outdoors so they’re not like hiding away and watching TV. You get to be outside and sitting around a campfire and making your meals outside and enjoying fresh air and vitamin D.
Tyler Jorgenson (23:27.064)
Yeah. Most people don’t think of a teardrop trailer as a family activity, right? So how, now I’m looking at a picture that I understand the solution, but for those listening, how does a family go out and enjoy a teardrop?
Jen & Chris Hudak (23:34.17)
haha
Jen & Chris Hudak (23:44.502)
When our family was smaller, so just to give you an idea of our family size, we’ve got two kids under five, like Jen said, we also have two dogs as well. So usually there’s six beings traveling with us. So when our family was younger, we would have both kids and the dog sometimes sleeping inside the trailer, that’s on a queen size bed. Those are some really great memories, not great night sleeps, but great memories.
Tyler Jorgenson (24:12.931)
Nope.
Jen & Chris Hudak (24:14.126)
And then as the family has gotten older, so meaning our oldest has is now five. This is my pitch to all the fathers out there. When we are camping, I am like, I’m number one. know, it’s like dad is finally number one and mom, like at home, there’s like, it’s like mom, mom, mom, everything. I love camping in a rooftop tent with my five year old. There is nothing better.
than laying down next to your son and making shadow animals on the roof of the tent, of like teaching him the things that you learned in a tent. And so the expandability of the Topo 2, not only the queen size bed on the inside, but also the rooftop tent that can house the kids is really amazing. And as our kids get older, like,
my two sons are gonna sleep in the rooftop tent and we’ll finally have the trailer back. And that will be a revolution of how our family camps. And I’m really excited for that because they’ll be making inappropriate shadow puppets on the ceiling. And I think that’s really amazing core memories that I have, maybe not in the trailer, but I have growing up as well.
Tyler Jorgenson (25:29.69)
Yeah, I think camping is such a, amazing thing because it just removes so many of the, so much of the noise and just allows people to, really grow and expand and reconnect to really the roots and the core of what, who they are, which oftentimes is being silly and that can be great. Yeah.
Jen & Chris Hudak (25:44.556)
Yeah, that’s right. And you have to remember that too, because camping is hard. It’s hard to pack up. It’s hard to get on the road. We try to make that easier, but it’s still difficult. mean, we, know, being in a car and going to Sedona for 12 hours with two kids is difficult, but it’s worth it, man. It’s so worth
Tyler Jorgenson (25:48.174)
yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (26:02.768)
Growing up, I was much more of a backpacker than a car camper. And I always kind of looked down at the RVers and the car campers. And I feel like this is like a nice in-between. It’s like, okay, there’s some comfort here, but this is still tough and cool. Yeah.
Jen & Chris Hudak (26:08.728)
Yeah.
Jen & Chris Hudak (26:13.858)
Yeah, that’s right.
That’s right. That’s right. When I still have a tent, I still camp many, many nights in a tent every year. I still enjoy that part of it. It’s a different tool, but it’s definitely still part of the toolkit.
Tyler Jorgenson (26:31.268)
Yeah. I’m a, I’m a under the stars as much as possible. Right? So like, you know, took the kids out to Moab a little or to, Joshua to a little while back and you know, they all went in the tent. I just slept out and just, got to enjoy it. What are some really exciting things now? Jen, I know you’ve kind of shifted and you’re less involved in the day to day, but you’re still helping oversee the vision. What are some big things down the road in the next five or 10 years that you just really want to see happen in the business?
Jen & Chris Hudak (26:34.69)
Yeah.
Jen & Chris Hudak (27:00.43)
Well, we definitely want to see more people in escapades. you know, COVID was crazy in terms of what it did to demand for the RV industry and in sort of a temporary moment, and we’re on the way to kind of find level ground again in terms of the production that we can facilitate here, as well as the sales demand and interest in our trailers. It allowed us to create the top O2, which really
broke the mold in a lot of ways in terms of what you could create in a teardrop trailer. But it did also drive our price point up. So I think that there’s this desire to figure out how to deliver a lot of what customers learn to expect with Escapade, which is this really clean fit and finish, this beautiful design aesthetic, really thoughtful features and integrations that just make using the trailers really easy, but also to deliver that at a price point.
that is more accessible for a lot more families in America in this economy. So that would be one main thing. And then the other piece, which these kind of these two things sort of go hand in hand. Once we are able to deliver something like that, it will allow us to have more resources that we can really start doing a lot more community events for Escapade owners and campers and outdoor enthusiasts to just really drive that community and
and excitement and make sure that we’re always staying connected to the things that inspired us to start the company in the first place.
Tyler Jorgenson (28:35.702)
Awesome. Those are great, great initiatives. As we wrap up here, you know, I don’t think I have to remind you guys that business isn’t just, that’s not the only thing in life, right? Business is about helping fund your life so you can live. What is one thing on each of your personal bucket list for the, you’re going to do in the next 12 months?
Jen & Chris Hudak (28:56.302)
12 months. That’s a short window. You know, our friend. Yeah, right. All right. Our friend just pitched us his 40th birthday plan, which was to rent a lodge out in the Wrangell St. Elias region of Alaska and to spend a week at the lodge, like skiing with a private chef.
Tyler Jorgenson (28:58.594)
It’s got to be short or it’s not, you know, it’s not going to happen. We got your, you got your daylight calendar or skylight calendar. So, you know, what’s on the calendar.
Jen & Chris Hudak (29:25.902)
and flying into different areas of the range. That would be amazing because that would signify that both Jen and I could be somewhere together, maybe even without kids, in skiing together. And that would mean that taking a week off from Eskipod and giving a little space here, that sounds like a great goal.
Tyler Jorgenson (29:36.41)
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (29:45.7)
love that. Jen, same question. You absolutely can have the same answer. That’s totally okay. I wanted you to have space to have your own answer, but if it’s the same, that’s okay too.
Jen & Chris Hudak (29:48.846)
Can I just have the same answer? Yeah, you’re lying. can’t have the same answer.
Jen & Chris Hudak (29:58.382)
no, I mean, I think there’s a lot tied into that because you know, in our, we’ve, we’ve stretched ourselves growing a company, growing a family. and sometimes that comes a little bit at a toll for, things in your personal life. our relationship, our household finances. So some of my dreams are like really blonde and benign, like making sure all of that isn’t a really healthy place. So what I love about.
Tyler Jorgenson (30:01.541)
Yeah.
Jen & Chris Hudak (30:24.974)
the dream that Chris just shared and why I probably also share in that is that it would also signify that we had achieved those other things because we wouldn’t be able to do it if we hadn’t. So yeah, I think that goal is something that’s gonna serve to just really get us oriented in the right direction.
Tyler Jorgenson (30:42.894)
Yeah, and it’s a good goal. think sometimes things don’t happen unless they have to. And so getting away, enjoying time without the kids is important. You can come back home and make inappropriate shadow puppets with them. Awesome. I really appreciate getting to know you guys. Thank you for sharing with us the story of Escapod. You guys can go check them out at escapod.us. They’re on social media and stuff as well. You will absolutely…
Jen & Chris Hudak (30:55.497)
That’s right.
Tyler Jorgenson (31:09.796)
be inspired towards adventure by checking out their social media. And to all my business ninjas, it’s your turn, wherever you’re listening, watching or tuning in to go out and do something.
