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Tyler Jorgenson (00:01.566)
Welcome out to Biz Ninja Entrepreneur Radio. I’m your host, Tyler Jorgensen. And as we go into season 15, that’s right, 15 years of doing this show, there are only a handful of people. And by handful, I literally mean, I believe five people that have been on this show twice. And I’m honored to welcome back that fifth person, somebody who their initial show was very impactful for me and for the audience.
whose books and principles and teachings on how to approach your mornings, on how to approach discipline, how to handle collaboration and partnerships have been really, really impactful for me. Somebody who I’ve watched recently evolve into another generation of his life and being an awesome father, which I think is one of the coolest parts of his story. But welcome out to the show, Craig Ballantyne.
Craig Ballantyne (00:55.63)
Hey, this is gonna be lot of fun, man.
Tyler Jorgenson (00:57.128)
Dude, I’m so excited. So we were catching up just a little bit before the show and you were saying you’ve done a lot. You’ve moved a lot recently. were, man, mean, multiple, multiple countries in the last five years, multiple moves for before we dive into everything that you’re doing, how do you stay productive with all of that change in your life?
Craig Ballantyne (01:07.288)
Yeah.
Craig Ballantyne (01:15.63)
man, just do the same thing that you always do. Don’t let anything come in the way of the regular routine. So it doesn’t matter if it’s a time zone. If I went to London, England, I would get right back in the time zone as quickly as possible and just get back in the routine. And it’s planning and preparation to eliminate the distractions because most of the time when things don’t go our way, it’s because something distracted us, something got us off track and we just needed to…
have done better planning and preparation to eliminate it. So I make sure that even if I’m going to Disney with my kids and I want to write for an hour in the morning, well, I’ll get up my regular time because I automatically get up because I’ve been getting up at the same time all the time. Get up, go to a coffee shop, work for an hour, come back, then everybody’s awake and away we go. So there’s always a way, always find a way to do it.
Tyler Jorgenson (02:10.352)
Awesome, so just state that it’s a commitment, right? Just stay committed to the routine. So, yeah.
Craig Ballantyne (02:12.846)
Totally. It’s like, if it’s like, you think about professional athletes, so you’d be like, Oh man, how do you, you know, most people can’t think about how they, they can stay on track with their work. Well, man, you got, you got LeBron James, he playing on the West coast. You got to fly back to the East coast to play, you know, game seven. Not only do you expect him to stay on the routine, but you expect him to play like the greatest game of his life, even though you would complain of jet lag. No, you just look at yourself as a pro.
Tyler Jorgenson (02:36.518)
Right. Yeah. And you know what? You show up when the game starts, right? You can’t, you can’t, you can’t show up late and expect to still be able to be a starting player. all right. So we’re going to go into something that you just, another one of your amazing accomplishments you just published or are publishing the dark side of discipline. Stop chasing, suffer less and achieve more. we’re going to go into this and you were going to little out of order from what I normally do. So, but I’m okay with that because I’m so excited to talk about.
Craig Ballantyne (02:46.443)
Absolutely.
Tyler Jorgenson (03:06.418)
this book that you’ve written, what prompted you to want to create another book?
Craig Ballantyne (03:12.686)
Yeah. So it’d been six years since I wrote the perfect week formula and I’d spent a lot of time helping people overcome bad habits and you know, get more disciplined, more productive in their days. But I didn’t feel like I had a full book in, you know, of information. And then I started to realize it kind of a disturbing trend that a lot of people were chasing discipline and ending up actually destroying their lives. So it’s weird because it is a double edged sword discipline.
Because you, in most cases, it can really help you change your life. But you can also take it too far. And when you take it too far and you chase discipline at the expense of what matters in your life, family, relationships, even chasing discipline at the expense of growing your business, like doing the things that are supposed to help in your business, it can destroy you. And I saw this in some of my friends.
who would go and do all the stuff they saw on their Instagram explore page, you know, all the hard things. And, and then they’d spend the rest of their time working in their business. And then, you know, their wives walked out on them with the kids. And it was like, you, you impressed a bunch of people on the internet and you lost the people that mattered most. And it can happen. And so it happened to me too. Like I used to be too disciplined, too rigid. And I would say no to things that mattered in
Tyler Jorgenson (04:13.18)
you
Tyler Jorgenson (04:33.308)
Mm-hmm.
Craig Ballantyne (04:36.77)
because I kept myself in this little prison of things that I had to do. And my discipline pendulum swung too far, but it swung too far for a reason so that I could then come back and say, hey, wait, hold up everybody. Let’s deeply examine what we’re doing and what we’re aiming to get from it and make sure that we’re not doing something good that actually hurts something that is great.
Tyler Jorgenson (05:01.662)
It’s so true that sometimes when we go from one side of a pendulum swing happens, right? That we skip right past the middle and we go to an opposite extreme. And it’s really fascinating you saying that people will oftentimes be so committed to their discipline that they’re actually missing why they were being disciplined. Well, I was being disciplined so that I could do the better things in my business, but the better things in my business are now sacrificing because of my commitment to the discipline. When you talk about
stop chasing so that you can sever less and achieve more. Like as that pendulum started to swing to the middle for you, what patterns did you have to break?
Craig Ballantyne (05:39.384)
So I had to pray, break the pattern of, of thinking that if I broke a streak, right? Like I had an exercise streak of over a thousand days and there’s no gold medals for this. And some of the, did like I talked about in the book, I did a workout in an airport lounge bathroom one time, just so could keep the streak going, you know, cause I was traveling to Eastern Europe and you know, just all the times in the flights. it’s like, what am I doing here? This is so ridiculous for what? And
So eventually you might come to that where you find yourself in a place like, how did I even get here? Actually, I think about this all the time with female bodybuilders who use steroids. Eventually they were like, I’m to go to the gym and get fit. And then they got some validation from somebody. And then it’s like, okay, I’ll do a fitness contest. And then they get more validation. And then it’s like, I’ll do a more advanced one. And then all of sudden somebody gives them steroids. And next thing you know, they’re a female bodybuilder and they’re like,
What 12 year old girl wanted to grow up and look like that? You know, no offense to the female bodybuilders, but it’s like, there’s a slippery slope that we get ourselves, we put ourselves in these prisons of our own designs and sacrificing the things that really matter in our lives. And it’s just that, you know, losing sight of what matters that I want to help people avoid so that they don’t get themselves into trouble and miss out on things.
Tyler Jorgenson (06:38.973)
Right.
Tyler Jorgenson (06:51.102)
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (07:04.911)
Hang on real quick for me.
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Tyler Jorgenson (07:21.946)
Yeah.
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Yeah, that’s good. got a good, that’s a good segue point. So it’s good. Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (00:02.126)
You know, it’s fascinating you talking about the, the idea that the people, a girl going to the gym to get back in shape and, just ending up like a victim of that pattern. I did kind of that same thing. I wanted to get back in shape years ago and started doing CrossFit. And then I got so wrapped up in it. ended up owning five CrossFit gyms and, owning an equipment company and owning all these and doing all these businesses that actually didn’t.
Like they weren’t the businesses I wanted to do. They didn’t have the higher level output. Like they didn’t actually meet what my goals were, but it was, I got caught up in it. Right. And so it was like, it wasn’t really like discipline for discipline sake, but it was, I was no longer being intentional. and it cost me time. Right. And it actually ended up costing my, some parts of my health. I started working out less once I got involved in the ownership, which was fascinating. Yeah.
Craig Ballantyne (00:49.727)
Yeah.
Craig Ballantyne (00:53.052)
So ironic. Yeah, it’s so ironic.
Tyler Jorgenson (00:55.222)
What, so what, you know, what is the, when you’re talking about the dark side, right? So we’re talking a little bit about the negative sides of it. What, what are you seeing is the answer to that?
Craig Ballantyne (01:06.632)
Yes, it’s great question. And so the answer is stepping back. And a lot of people post on the internet that they’re doing hard things and the hard thing could be a cold shower, working out twice a day. Sure, those are hard, but the hardest thing that people need to do is think. Sit down, stop listening to audio books and podcasts, sit in silence and figure out your life. Figure out what really matters. Figure out your big why. What’s the reason that you’re doing all of this stuff? What really truly matters? What are your core values?
Then figure out the vision for your life. Where do you want to be in three years from now? What exactly do you want your life to look like? And paint it in such vivid picture that if you told it to me, I could watch it as a movie. That you were living on this street and this house and this is your relationship and this is a relationship with your kids. This is what your family does. This is what your family doesn’t do. This is what you take for vacations. These are cars in the garage. This is the gym that you go to, the fitness regimen that you have. Ah, I see your life. Great, that’s a straight line to success. And that’s then the filter.
that when somebody brings you an opportunity or a new idea to try out, you can say, well, that doesn’t get me to my goal. So I’m going to have to say no to that because saying no, most people don’t say no enough and they take on too many things and they end up overwhelmed and they end up over scheduled. And then the other parts start to break down. And then the final thing that they have to really think about is what’s my specific definition of success. So your definition of success was just get back in shape with CrossFit.
But you ended up with five crossfits and that wasn’t your definition of success, but you ended up there. And so when you have a specific definition of success and when I bring that up, because a lot of people come to me and say, I want to be more disciplined. And if a thousand people said, I want to be more disciplined, it could be a thousand different interpretations of what that means. It’s a general vague statement. I want to know what you specifically want to accomplish. What outcome do you want to have by being more, quote unquote, disciplined?
What does it really mean to you? And then we build a very
Tyler Jorgenson (03:20.716)
Yeah, absolutely.
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Tyler Jorgenson (00:02.69)
The idea that you just laid out of really having a specific definition of success, this was, yeah. interesting.
Craig Ballantyne (00:07.138)
For me, still says you aren’t being recorded. I don’t know. Let me just hit the riverside. Think again, my kick.
Tyler Jorgenson (00:14.51)
Okay, that’s all right.
Tyler Jorgenson (00:28.93)
Hey, editing team, this is gonna be a fun one that we just have to piece together, but I believe in you.
Craig Ballantyne (00:35.502)
All right, let’s try and get her to the end.
Tyler Jorgenson (00:37.646)
Yeah, I believe in us. Okay, so we were talking about, I love this concept of the specific definition of success. The irony is I had gone through this with some of like Tim Ferriss’s work where he was like, you know, what is your dream lifestyle, right? What do you want? What do you want to do? What do you want to be? What do you want to have? Right, practice elimination. I’d gone through all of this and somehow I still messed up, right? And I fell into patterns. did or doing things that didn’t necessarily match that.
One of my big wants was I wanted location independence. Owning a gym and running things like that were not conducive to location independence. So when people do this and that exercise you just mapped out, think, please, everyone go do this. Sit down and truly map out your ideal life. Get so clear that you see it as like a movie. What’s stopping people from just once they do that, once they go through that exercise, actually just taking that next step.
Craig Ballantyne (01:35.214)
Well, it’s not that they don’t take the next step is that they take, they do take a whole bunch of other steps and sometimes they’re just in a different direction. And so I think the secret ingredient to success here is accountability. know, having somebody the checks and balances, you know, so that when, if you’re checking in with somebody saying, Hey, here’s what I did this week. And they know what you want to accomplish. They’re going to be able to give you outside eyes, like the external outside eyes and go, wait a minute, that doesn’t line up because often we do things because we’re emotionally attached to it.
Tyler Jorgenson (02:04.342)
yeah.
Craig Ballantyne (02:04.426)
And so like maybe you opened your first CrossFit and all these people were patting you on your back. Man, awesome. I love CrossFit and I love being here. even though you know rationally that, I actually want to go over here, emotionally you’re driven over here. And that goes back to when we see the Instagram posts about cold plunging or something. Even though we rationally know that I don’t really need to do this, you know, I really got all this other work to do.
We’re like, man, I really would love to get those dopamine hits from all those people who, who want me to cold plunge. And this even happens. If this even happens to me, it runs through my mind sometimes. So do know who Chris Bumstead is? Right. Everybody knows who C bum is. Right. And so I see them on social media shows up, you know, cause I clicked on a few of his videos shows up all the time now. And I’m like, maybe I should get back into natural bodybuilding. You know, it’s like,
Tyler Jorgenson (02:40.578)
Ciao.
Tyler Jorgenson (02:44.718)
Yeah.
Craig Ballantyne (03:00.19)
I’m a 49 year old father of three kids under three. And I’m like, I think I should maybe work out two hours a day, six days a week to get into natural bodybuilding, which I’ve never done before, but I should probably get back into that. It’s like humans are just wired in some weird ways. And so I think what we, the reason why we go down the wrong path is because it’s easier to do certain things. It’s easier to start a new project. It’s easier to start a new diet. It’s easier to start a YouTube channel when
You know, your business really needs to do you to get better at sales and marketing, but I’m just going to go and start a YouTube channel and you get the virtual dopamine hit. But if, but if you look at what’s your real problem in life, whether it is your relationship or your relationship with your kids or maybe your health or something or your finances, that takes hard work to like, and it takes a long time to see a result.
Tyler Jorgenson (03:37.465)
yeah.
Craig Ballantyne (03:54.114)
But I could put up a YouTube video today and I’d be like, Hey, I got a YouTube channel and you know, have all this positive feedback and you feel good. And, those things are just a perverse form of procrastination.
Tyler Jorgenson (04:00.024)
Right.
Tyler Jorgenson (04:04.834)
Yeah, so people are sitting in like, okay, I’m already good at these things. So I’m just gonna keep doing them. I’ll get the internal and external validation instead of approaching, okay, where do I actually need to fix? What are the things that actually gonna, that might have to be done in secret that maybe nobody else even knows I’m fixing, right? And so.
Craig Ballantyne (04:22.458)
And, and it takes a lot longer to see results of fixing it. Right. So, so if, know, for a business owner who’s like, I’m, just going to go and start this YouTube channel. But the reason why my business isn’t growing is because every time I got in a sales call and it comes time for me to, you know, share the price, I’m too, you know, I wuss out and I say, you know, I’ll just send you a link. Well, that’s really hard to improve on that.
You know, you have to do some training and you have to get some feedback and you have to go through some rejection and people be like, no, thanks. I’ll go start the YouTube channel because it’s easy. know, exactly.
Tyler Jorgenson (04:59.372)
Yeah, they don’t have to confront that that challenging harder part. Craig, I want to real quick zoom back because I first of all, people please go get the dark side of discipline. Craig is just an amazing writer. You’ve got a co-writer with this one, Daniel Woodrum. And I just think you need this if you want your business and your life to be operating at a higher, higher vibration, higher level. What? But when we zoom way back, Craig, when was the first time you realized that you were an entrepreneur?
Craig Ballantyne (05:13.891)
Yeah.
Craig Ballantyne (05:30.892)
I was a chicken entrepreneur is what my mentor Mark Ford would say. I was not the type of person who was like, I’m quitting my job or, you I wasn’t a 12 year old lemonade stand person. was a broke personal trainer and I didn’t want to be one. And I realized I have introverted tendencies. I’m not meant to be around people in a gym eight hours a day. was drained and I really just want to sit behind my computer and read and write. And fortunately,
The internet came around the same time that idea came to me and I was able to figure out, know, just stumbled across how to sell programs online. And so I stumbled into entrepreneurship and really, maybe I’m not as much of an entrepreneur as I am unemployable. And when you’re, if you’re unemployable, I guess you got two choices. You can try and live off the government or you can be an entrepreneur. so I chose to be an entrepreneur. And then I really got addicted to helping.
Tyler Jorgenson (06:18.126)
you
Craig Ballantyne (06:30.378)
So this is actually a place where I have to be careful. I’ll go and spend hours and hours and hours answering people’s messages online at the expense of like, you know, maybe going and doing something with my wife or my kids. I’m like, whoa, man, dude, you got to like put some boundaries on this. But I really just, I see people struggling and I believe that there’s a simple solution for everything, not easy, but simple. And I want to share that information. so I’m…
Tyler Jorgenson (06:45.55)
Right.
Craig Ballantyne (06:57.998)
probably most addicted to helping people, which is why I write books and make YouTube videos and do the podcasts and stuff like that. Because I just think that there’s a simpler way of being successful in life and I want people to know that.
Tyler Jorgenson (07:11.0)
Yeah, I love it. You may not like be the traditional entrepreneur, but you also have some amazing partnerships, joint ventures and strategic partnerships with people who are, right? How do you approach partnerships in a way that keeps you in your, you know, honoring the life you want to create?
Craig Ballantyne (07:31.246)
Yeah, that’s a great question. And I think, you know, a couple of the most important considerations in the partnership thing are if the partner is exactly like you has, you know, is really good at the same thing you’re really good at, it’s not going to be good partnership because they’re, you know, you could just go and do it yourself. And, um, so when I go into a partnership, uh, I’ve made this mistake in the past of going into partnerships with people too fast. I now need to know them for a long time. And so I won’t rush into the partnership, know them for long time, know how they operate.
know that they’re complimentary to me and make sure that we honor each other’s way of communicating. if somebody’s late all the time, it’s not going to work with me. In fact, I actually, I have a little vetting method for partnerships where I say, I need you to send me a report every Tuesday by 5pm Eastern standard time. And if it’s ever one minute late, I just tell them it’s not going to work out. And some of my best, longest partnerships have been from people who send me something.
you know, at three o’clock in the afternoon, a couple hours early. I’m like, that person operates the way I do because if I don’t get something, my brain just starts running these loops. And so I’ve always done that. And then I’ve always just looked for generous people because, know, I just, I want to be with a good person in partnership who’s going to be, look at it the same way I do that even though it’s a partnership, we’re going to act as if
It’s a hundred percent our business. And when you got somebody on the other side, who’s got that same mindset, it’s going to work out.
Tyler Jorgenson (09:01.964)
When I had Pedro Skullian on the show, it was fascinating because he said the same thing, right? And you guys are partners in some things that have done businesses together. And I love that you both have that same mindset. It’s probably why you crush things together. And I love that you look for people that are generous. I think in a world where there are many people that are kind of stuck in a view of scarcity and limiting things, right? Generosity is such a superpower.
Craig Ballantyne (09:07.541)
Yeah.
Craig Ballantyne (09:16.099)
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (09:31.202)
because it just brings about like abundance and opportunity.
Craig Ballantyne (09:34.242)
Yeah, know, Pedro spoke at a recent mastermind that I did down there in California and he, he said he no longer refers to himself as really as an entrepreneur. He said, I’m an agent of change. And I just thought that was so fantastic because if you’re an, if you’re a business owner, you start a business to make money and to maybe sell the business. And that’s going to dictate how you make decisions. You know, you’re going to make decisions with a bit of a scarcity mindset in some cases. But if you’re an agent of change,
You’re not really just in it for the money. You’re in it for the impact on helping people. And then that, Jen, changes the scope in which you make a decision. You might say, well, listen, I don’t necessarily, you know, I need to hire this person and they’re outside of my range. But if I’m an agent of change, I want the absolute best person in my company to help me. And I’ll figure out how to make the money work.
Whereas a business owner might go, I’m going to pass over the A player for a B player because they’re in my salary range, but that’s actually going to hold you back. So it’s just a totally different mindset. And he’s been a very good influence on me in a lot of ways. But I think that’s one thing about the generosity angle is, listen, we already have everything we need. You know, we live better than Kings did 200 years ago. So if you approach things with that mindset,
then you’re actually gonna be able to build a better business and help more people because you’re make better decisions.
Tyler Jorgenson (10:55.554)
Yeah, I love that. you were writing the Dark Side of Discipline and you got 20 chapters of amazing content in there, which one of those chapters was the most impactful for you?
Craig Ballantyne (11:08.864)
easily the introduction chapter. that one, that was the whole inspiration for the book. And, you know, I talk about somebody who was actually very close to me and, who I looked up to and I saw them kind of lose everything. And I mean, a lot of people resonate with it because they got close to it or, maybe they’re, they’re on that path and they’ll go, my gosh, you know, what am I doing?
Tyler Jorgenson (11:10.923)
Okay.
Craig Ballantyne (11:35.7)
And it was a wake up call for me because I wasn’t really screwing up, but it just reminded me of like what really matters in my life now. know, having when I was a single entrepreneur coaching, married entrepreneurs, I got it. I understood the importance of it, but it’s exponentially more important to me now that I have kids. Like all I want to do is every, you know, every morning I make them breakfast, every nap time I put them down every
Bedtime, I’m the one telling the stories and I wouldn’t miss that for the world. you know, so it doesn’t matter like how many people I could get validation from on the internet. None of that matters. And so that was a very, very, very important one. But the effortless discipline systems meet in the middle of the book are what really set me free from my bad habits.
Tyler Jorgenson (12:06.392)
Yeah. Yep.
Tyler Jorgenson (12:17.198)
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Tyler Jorgenson (12:25.814)
I think it’s fascinating how when you are a single entrepreneur and you’re talking about discipline, there’s a lot of people that are in the like married with kids camp, they’re gonna be like, this guy doesn’t know what it’s really like. Of course he’s talking this, but now you’re like, well, I got three kids under three, so now what?
Craig Ballantyne (12:46.862)
Right. But now I need to be, I need to be more disciplined in the art of saying no, the art of saying no. And I think that’s where a lot of people get in trouble. There’s a lot of like sub themes to the book. Like the 80 20 principle is a sub theme to the book because for those people that don’t know the Pareto principle, the 80 20 rule, 80 % of your results come from 20 % of your efforts. And if 80 % of your results come from 20 % of your efforts, that should open your eyes to the fact that chasing another life hack.
Tyler Jorgenson (12:53.624)
Yeah.
Craig Ballantyne (13:16.182)
is not going to give you leverage and 10x results. Instead, go and identify what are the 20 % of things that give you the most results in your business, the most results in your fitness, the most results in your happiness, and spend more time on those things. You’ll get more results from that. Strengthen your strengths. And saying no is a skill set that every great person, every person who has done great things has because
Tyler Jorgenson (13:42.232)
Yeah.
Craig Ballantyne (13:43.498)
know, Steve Jobs could have done the I’ve I watch and a whole bunch of things. I car, you know, in 2007 after the iPhone took off, but he said no to all those things in order to make the iPhone better and better and better and dominate, which then allowed them to do the other things well. So it’s saying no, that is going to get you a lot further ahead than adding on more new stuff.
Tyler Jorgenson (14:04.106)
As somebody who struggles to say no, and like I love opportunities. I love seeing them and it’s one of like my powers is that I see opportunities and solutions where most people see problems. And so that makes it even harder. And but what I you just touched on something for me, sometimes it’s not saying no, it’s saying not yet. And that just gives me the piece that I’m not turning this down. I’m just prioritizing and setting it into a different timeline. And because
Craig Ballantyne (14:06.913)
Everybody does.
Craig Ballantyne (14:25.886)
Yeah, that’s a point.
Tyler Jorgenson (14:33.76)
You know, it’s not necessarily, no, we’re not, it’s not, we’re not going to do Apple watches. It’s, not doing those until, right? It’s just moving it into an op, like, okay, we don’t touch that until the business has done this goal. And that’s just been a huge help for me.
Craig Ballantyne (14:46.668)
That’s what I had to do with podcasts because I was getting, I did them all, did hundreds and hundreds and then I needed to go and write the book and people were saying, hey, come on the show. like, I can’t come on the show until the book is done. So I would often just say to all types of opportunities, not right now, message me again like in four months. And I just think most people forget.
leave me alone, you know, but some people would come back and you know, maybe the timing was right. And I pushed a few people off again for another time. And then now I’m finally ready to do it. So not yet. Yeah, maybe we just start with that.
Tyler Jorgenson (15:24.332)
What’s something that you are, as you look forward into the business landscape, how things are changing, what’s something that you’re really excited about?
Craig Ballantyne (15:33.044)
in-person connection. So I don’t do anything with AI. Our team does, but I personally, I don’t use chat GPT.
I really believe that our business does these mastermind events and in-person events. Not a lot, but a small number. Nothing will ever, I shouldn’t say nothing will ever. A lot of things are going to happen in the future. But right now it’s years until you’re going to be able to replace that in-person human connection. Because you can just connect with people faster. You can get to the root of the problem faster. Zoom is good. Podcasts are good.
Tyler Jorgenson (15:59.566)
Yeah.
Craig Ballantyne (16:13.592)
But man, you can get right to it when you’re sitting face to face, nose to nose, toes to toes with people and breaking bread with them at a meal. You can get into some deep conversations exponentially faster than you can through technology today. And that’s where you can make the impact. That’s where you can ask them the challenging question that’s gonna stop them in their tracks and they go, okay, let’s figure this out. So I’m actually really excited about old school things.
Tyler Jorgenson (16:39.522)
When, as the world is losing a little bit of its humanity, that’s the opportunity. They’re gonna be craving the human connection, the real tangible things.
Craig Ballantyne (16:48.618)
especially coming out of what happened five years ago.
Tyler Jorgenson (16:52.046)
Oh yeah, absolutely. think there’s need for it.
Craig Ballantyne (16:56.898)
Because when they’re isolated, they start to make up these stories about the other side. But, you know, in our mastermind group, we have people across the political spectrum for sure. And you get them in the room and, you know, nobody really talks about it. And, and they are very, very good friends with one another, but online, they wouldn’t have become friends with one another because of the polarization. So I think it’s needed.
Tyler Jorgenson (17:18.092)
Yeah, it is needed. And it’s that whole similarity of, you know, I’ll watch people like fight for a parking spot at the grocery store and like be complete jerks to each other and then wave when they’re like shopping cart. Like when you get behind out from behind the screens, whether it’s a car windshield or a iPhone, people go back to being humans. But man, with that small separation, the worst parts of people can come out sometimes.
Craig Ballantyne (17:31.501)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Craig Ballantyne (17:44.078)
Yeah. And, know, I’m a Canadian, so I can say this about Americans and say, man, Americans are more alike than they are, than they are different. And, you know, I love America. And so, you know, to see you guys kind of like fight each other for the last little bit is kind like watching my parents fight, you know, but it’s, so, it’s at least at the events, you know, live events, it’s awesome to see everybody come back together.
Tyler Jorgenson (17:51.758)
Absolutely.
Tyler Jorgenson (17:59.47)
Thanks.
Tyler Jorgenson (18:08.396)
I think that human connection is wildly important. you you talk about really mapping out what your ideal life is. And I know your life has grown and evolved quite a bit over these past five years. What is one thing on your personal bucket list you’re going to accomplish in the next 12 months?
Craig Ballantyne (18:28.49)
you know, this, let’s see, man, there’s a lot. so I would say that this book is very important to me. so this selling more copies of this book in its first year than my other books have sold, in the years they’ve been out is one of the most important things to me on the professional side for sure. And on the personal side is just.
you know, our kids are now like, you know, coming online, you know, where they can, they can communicate, you know, through words. And so it’s just being there and helping them, you know, just live their little lives. That’s, I’m just so obsessed with, with my kids.
Tyler Jorgenson (19:05.025)
Yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (19:16.686)
I have loved absolutely every stage of raising my kids. The emptiness stage is actually the hardest. As much as people say terrible twos, I’m thinking like terrifying eighteens, right? It’s not easy for a heart, man, a dad’s heart. you are in my favorite stretch. Ages like two to five where everything is new, everything’s amazing, and they can tell you that it’s amazing. dude, you were just in for a world of
Craig Ballantyne (19:23.543)
yeah.
Tyler Jorgenson (19:46.126)
joy these next few years.
Craig Ballantyne (19:46.54)
Yeah, like yesterday, like my, my three year old, I introduced her to like daddy robot and like she had never understood, like now she’s like obsessed. Everybody’s a robot and it’s just so funny. So funny.
Tyler Jorgenson (19:58.006)
Yeah, yeah, I’m loving it, man. Enjoy that stretch of time. Everyone that you if you’ve been listening to this, I hope that you can see that there is power in discipline, but you got to do it right. And you got to know why you’re being disciplined. And that means starting with the life that you truly want and making sure that your discipline serves that. Please go get the dark side of discipline. Craig has poured his heart and soul and years of experience into it.
Craig Ballantyne (20:01.496)
Thank you.
Tyler Jorgenson (20:25.356)
and I’m confident it’s a book that will impact you in a positive way. To all my business, wherever you’re listening, watching or tuning in, it’s your turn to go out and do something.
